Comments on: Open Thread Thursday | February 4, 2010 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010 There's always room for one more on the bench. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:56:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Wally http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9436 Wally Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:49:43 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9436 Your point is .... what? Your point is …. what?

]]> By: Casey http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9433 Casey Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:04:38 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9433 Wait..."it’s a lot easier to throw the ball now in the Brady-Manning-Warner era due to the escalated rules enforcement on Pass interference and illegal contact?" Wait…”it’s a lot easier to throw the ball now in the Brady-Manning-Warner era due to the escalated rules enforcement on Pass interference and illegal contact?”

]]> By: Wally http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9432 Wally Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:59:55 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9432 Uh ... I don't think Montana was in a "system" at Notre Dame ... where he was a ) already great and b) his exploits were actually more legendary there than in his 49er days. This sums up Montana's clutchness: in 4 Super Bowl wins (out of 4), he was 83/132 for 1,142 yards, 11 TDs and ZERO INT's. A QB rating of 128!!! He also rushed for over 100 yards and scored 2 TDs. For all playoff games, his rating was 96. Tom Brady, a great QB in his own right, has won 3 of 4 Super Bowls and was 100/155 for 1,001 yards, 7 TDs and 1 INT. A QB rating of 95. Don't even talk about scrambling. For all playoff games, Brady rates at 86. Kurt Warner: won 1 of 3 Super Bowls; 83/133, 1,156 yards, 6 TD and 3 INTs for a rating of 96. Again, no rushing yards. He's at 103 for all playoff games. Peyton Manning's QB rating is 88 for all playoff games. Terry Bradshaw was also an 88 for all playoff games, but 113 in 4 Super bowls. And, guys, it's a lot easier to throw the ball now in the Brady-Manning-Warner era due to the escalated rules enforcement on Pass interference and illegal contact. Uh … I don’t think Montana was in a “system” at Notre Dame … where he was a ) already great and b) his exploits were actually more legendary there than in his 49er days.

This sums up Montana’s clutchness: in 4 Super Bowl wins (out of 4), he was 83/132 for 1,142 yards, 11 TDs and ZERO INT’s. A QB rating of 128!!! He also rushed for over 100 yards and scored 2 TDs. For all playoff games, his rating was 96.

Tom Brady, a great QB in his own right, has won 3 of 4 Super Bowls and was 100/155 for 1,001 yards, 7 TDs and 1 INT. A QB rating of 95. Don’t even talk about scrambling. For all playoff games, Brady rates at 86.

Kurt Warner: won 1 of 3 Super Bowls; 83/133, 1,156 yards, 6 TD and 3 INTs for a rating of 96. Again, no rushing yards. He’s at 103 for all playoff games.

Peyton Manning’s QB rating is 88 for all playoff games. Terry Bradshaw was also an 88 for all playoff games, but 113 in 4 Super bowls.

And, guys, it’s a lot easier to throw the ball now in the Brady-Manning-Warner era due to the escalated rules enforcement on Pass interference and illegal contact.

]]> By: Smitty http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9387 Smitty Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:31:24 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9387 Is that really throwing stones or just pointing out the fact that Warner might not have been a "system" quarterback like Montana or Brady.. That was not a statement of Warner was better then Montana.. Wally, are you throwing up the white flag on the "system" question? You seem to be picking a different battle... Is that really throwing stones or just pointing out the fact that Warner might not have been a “system” quarterback like Montana or Brady.. That was not a statement of Warner was better then Montana..

Wally, are you throwing up the white flag on the “system” question? You seem to be picking a different battle…

]]> By: Wally http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9123 Wally Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:22:47 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9123 Yes ... and at that age Johnny Unitas was well below his peak too. C'mon Casey ... can you do better than throwing stones at 37 year old QBs? Yes … and at that age Johnny Unitas was well below his peak too. C’mon Casey … can you do better than throwing stones at 37 year old QBs?

]]> By: Casey http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9017 Casey Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:49:43 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9017 Yeah Wally, you'll have to forgive me if I liken your invitation to make a comment / prediction as a seduction by an std-ridden whore. Whatever I do, I am going to catch something. Let's see what 'gibberish' I can come up with. Manning's Legacy - Manning has amassed incredible stats. He is in the top 5 of pretty much every positive quarterback category there is. Our recent Mt. Otsego series seemed to indicate that stats without context are important, so I guess Manning is one of the top 5 qbs of all-time. Interesting to note that in the category of Career Yards per pass attempt Manning is tied for 14th with Earl Morral, Dan Fouts, Roger Staubach, and Len Dawson. The top three in the category? Otto Graham, Sid Luckman, and Norm Van Brocklin. Graham averaged a yard more per attempt than Manning has. What does this suggest? Do you suppose Manning has taken advantage of the pass-happy 21st century NFL? On Montana - I hate that I am going to cast Montana in a negative light (see what your bias creates Wally). At the age of 37, Kurt Warner had been given up on by two teams. He took his third team, the Cardinals, to the Super Bowl completing 67.1% of his passes and a passer rating of 96.9. At the age of 37, Montana was on his second team. He led the Chiefs completing 60.7% of his passes with a rating of 87.4. Montana certainly suffered some injuries. But so did Warner. Just seems like Joe's 'it' was lower case and did not have bold letters when he was outside the system. Warner managed to fit in with a couple of teams. Random prediction...the team that holds the other to fewer points will win. :) Yeah Wally, you’ll have to forgive me if I liken your invitation to make a comment / prediction as a seduction by an std-ridden whore. Whatever I do, I am going to catch something.

Let’s see what ‘gibberish’ I can come up with.

Manning’s Legacy – Manning has amassed incredible stats. He is in the top 5 of pretty much every positive quarterback category there is. Our recent Mt. Otsego series seemed to indicate that stats without context are important, so I guess Manning is one of the top 5 qbs of all-time.

Interesting to note that in the category of Career Yards per pass attempt Manning is tied for 14th with Earl Morral, Dan Fouts, Roger Staubach, and Len Dawson. The top three in the category? Otto Graham, Sid Luckman, and Norm Van Brocklin. Graham averaged a yard more per attempt than Manning has. What does this suggest? Do you suppose Manning has taken advantage of the pass-happy 21st century NFL?

On Montana – I hate that I am going to cast Montana in a negative light (see what your bias creates Wally). At the age of 37, Kurt Warner had been given up on by two teams. He took his third team, the Cardinals, to the Super Bowl completing 67.1% of his passes and a passer rating of 96.9.

At the age of 37, Montana was on his second team. He led the Chiefs completing 60.7% of his passes with a rating of 87.4.

Montana certainly suffered some injuries. But so did Warner. Just seems like Joe’s ‘it’ was lower case and did not have bold letters when he was outside the system. Warner managed to fit in with a couple of teams.

Random prediction…the team that holds the other to fewer points will win. :)

]]> By: Wally http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9016 Wally Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:37:51 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9016 Casey -- How about a Super Bowl prediction from you? And a comment on where Manning's legacy might stand, win or lose, in your eyes. Casey –
How about a Super Bowl prediction from you? And a comment on where Manning’s legacy might stand, win or lose, in your eyes.

]]> By: Wally http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-9001 Wally Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:35:29 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-9001 Well ... at least the Irish actually pummeled somebody for once. Where was that intensity at Rutgers?!?!?!!? BK actually did a nice job saving the recruiting season. ND ended up in a decent spot ... coulda been alot worse than #14-21. Well … at least the Irish actually pummeled somebody for once. Where was that intensity at Rutgers?!?!?!!?

BK actually did a nice job saving the recruiting season. ND ended up in a decent spot … coulda been alot worse than #14-21.

]]> By: Crossword Pete http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-8994 Crossword Pete Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:28:28 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-8994 Watching ND pummel Cincy on TV tonite when I caught Brian Kelly in the first mistake I have seen by him. While being interviewed they asked him about the BB game. He said he'd "like to see a bit more tenacity from Cincinnati." C'mon Brian, you are not at Cincy any more! Watching ND pummel Cincy on TV tonite when I caught Brian Kelly in the first mistake I have seen by him. While being interviewed they asked him about the BB game. He said he’d “like to see a bit more tenacity from Cincinnati.” C’mon Brian, you are not at Cincy any more!

]]> By: Wally http://www.pickinsplinters.com/2010/02/04/open-thread-thursday-february-4-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-8993 Wally Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:28:31 +0000 http://www.pickinsplinters.com/?p=6424#comment-8993 That's great, Smitty. I actually agree with much of your "Brady defense petition", but he is still not in MY Top 5 and apparently isn't in Pete's either. He can be in yours and that's fine. There is no universally correct answer here ... it's just opinion. Anyway, just a hunch, but I think Montana woulda won wherever he was ... because that's what he did wherever he played before joining SF. And, uh, Steve Young was quite a QB in his own right ... a great pedigree coming into pro football from BYU ... highly sought after ... great athlete ... and I think he ended up with one of the highest career passer ratings of all time, if not the highest. But Young is not in my Top 5 either ... I truly believe he was not as good as Montana, esp in the big playoff games, although he certainly had his moments. By the way, I never said that Brady didn't have "it". And for the record, I think Young had "it" as well. It's just that Montana had "IT" ... with all caps and in bold. That’s great, Smitty. I actually agree with much of your “Brady defense petition”, but he is still not in MY Top 5 and apparently isn’t in Pete’s either. He can be in yours and that’s fine. There is no universally correct answer here … it’s just opinion.

Anyway, just a hunch, but I think Montana woulda won wherever he was … because that’s what he did wherever he played before joining SF. And, uh, Steve Young was quite a QB in his own right … a great pedigree coming into pro football from BYU … highly sought after … great athlete … and I think he ended up with one of the highest career passer ratings of all time, if not the highest. But Young is not in my Top 5 either … I truly believe he was not as good as Montana, esp in the big playoff games, although he certainly had his moments.

By the way, I never said that Brady didn’t have “it”. And for the record, I think Young had “it” as well. It’s just that Montana had “IT” … with all caps and in bold.

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